Gourmet Paper Mache Monster Making: Lesson 1 Body Parts

I need to reiterate the comment I made in my introduction.    The opinions about this art medium are only opinions.  I have ways of doing things I like.    They work for me.   So if you are another paper mache artist out there, don't be offended by my exhortations.   You may hold alternate opinions.   And they would be right also.   Just thought I'd mention that.    

On another note.   I'm supposed to limit the videos I can upload to 5 minutes.   So I had to break this lesson up into two parts.   I'm working on lesson 2.    Check in every so often.  Thanks for your patience!  If you haven't seen the introduction yet, look below.

                                                          


                                    Lesson 1 (Part A):Bodies





                   Lesson 1 (Part b)
  


 

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  • 9/14/2009 6:45 PM Jonty wrote:
    An awesome start to what promises to be an emensely entertaining & brilliant tuotrial from one of the worlds most top monster makers. 10 out of 10 in my book any day.
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    1. 9/14/2009 8:28 PM Dan the Monster-man wrote:
      Hi again Jonty,
      I wish I had your tech expertise.   Most times when I get a comment on this blog, I get an email telling me so and allowing me to reply.  However the last couple comments I wasn't able to reply to.    When I hit "reply" it took me to the home page of my blog.   Of course just when I was going to contact the "help" line, I tried once more and it worked.  Strange indeed.  Anyway, thanks again for your last comment.

      Now I must tell you that as experts like yourself are invited to ignore most of my suggestions and warnings etc, in the video.   Again, these videos are meant pretty much for beginners.  Just thought I'd remind you.
      Take care
      Dan

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  • 9/14/2009 8:18 PM Dan Reeder wrote:
    Jonty, you are always the best at making me feel good. Thank you for being so positive. It's much appreciated from such a talented artist.
    Hope your work is going well.
    Dan
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  • 9/15/2009 2:03 AM Jonty wrote:
    I sometimes hit problems here when posting. It often tells me i haven't input the right security check code - Pah i do. Anyway i simply hit refresh then YES to any message boxes that pop up, then Bob's your Aunties sisters cousins brothers son lol. It works my post goes through. It remains in the message box at the bottom awaiting a new code but i just delete that.
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  • 9/15/2009 2:09 AM Jonty wrote:
    Not trying to sound big headed, but don't worry i know your advice/tutorials are for the newbies lol. Saying that i sometimes see something you do & think aha, if i just moved that this way or if i made it more that shape lol.

    Also as to my work going well & YOU wishing you were more tech minded check out my latest YouTube offering:

    MY MAGGOT PUPPET PROTOYPE TEST

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dHDSUBRkiE

    Hang around after the end credits/blurb, theres a message just for YOU lol.
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  • 9/16/2009 2:19 PM marasubo wrote:
    Hi Dan,

    I'm having a bit of trouble with the painting part and would like to show you images of what i've done thus far. Sent you a few images of the hippo all orange and didn't hear back. maybe i sent them to the wrong address. Then i added blue and really feel I need some technique tips before I totally wreck it.

    May I send you some images of the blue paint outlines? What email address can I send images to?

    Thanks in advance for you time and consideration.

    Bye for now.

    Mara

    Mara
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    1. 9/16/2009 2:22 PM Dan the Monster-man wrote:
      Hi Mara,
      I'm sorry  but I never saw any photos from you.   I think you must have sent them to the wrong address.   Try
      dan@monster-man.com  .   I would always respond with an inquiry.   And sure, send your new photos please.
      Dan

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  • 9/18/2009 10:42 PM Willow wrote:
    Hi Dan, Thank you for putting my bear on your site. He looks great there. By the way, the name of the bear is "Barbie's Bear" believe it or not.
    Willow
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    1. 9/19/2009 12:44 PM Dan the Monster-man wrote:
      Hey Willow.
      Yes, that's a funny name.  I changed it.  Now get back to work.
      Dan

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  • 9/19/2009 5:50 PM Willow wrote:
    I am sooo working harder than you.
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    1. 9/19/2009 7:26 PM Dan the Monster-man wrote:
      Okay Willow.  That does it.     I can see you in my mind's eye with sweat on your brow, feverishly working.    I have been in a terrible art funk lately.     I can't start.    But you have thrown down the gauntlet.     I am going to work, well, as soon as I finish sitting on my ass in front of this computer.  

      I am, of course, happy for you.   And jealous. 
      Dan

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  • 9/20/2009 3:03 AM Jonty wrote:
    Lol if what i have sent you to cut open, exmine how it works, repair then finish monster-man-ing up doesn't get the juices flowing again nothing will lol.
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    1. 9/20/2009 8:29 AM Dan the Monster-man wrote:
      You have totally piqued my curiosity Jonty.  

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    2. 9/20/2009 4:50 PM Jonty wrote:
      Just don't be afraid to cut it open where i indicated on the back of the head. Follow the instructions there & you won't damage the mechanism inside lol.
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  • 9/20/2009 11:44 AM Willow wrote:
    Dan,
    Did you try eating a bug? Nothing works better. Eat a bug and you are making art like a wild man. The bigger the bug the better. Really. Trust me.
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  • 9/21/2009 9:24 AM debra wrote:
    Hi Dan, I just had to tell you that this is the most awesome thing I have ever seen! I have been on websites all morning looking for a project for my son. I have a 4th grader that has to invent a new creature, out of ordinary things around the house, and trash, basically, anyway, I came across your site and I am just flipping out! I rewinded the Dragon video over and over in amazement and trying too get a few pointers. When my son gets home I am going to show him the site, he will flip out! anyway, thanks!
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    1. 9/21/2009 9:57 AM Dan the Monster-man wrote:
      Hello Debra,
      Nice to meet you.   What a nice compliment!  Thank  you!   Yes, this is a great medium for kids and adults.     As you can see, I'm trying to post slower, instructional videos on the blog.  But I've gotten bogged down.  Hopefully, I'll have the next installment soon.   Check back every so often.
      Good luck on your project!
      Dan

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  • 9/27/2009 9:36 AM Luella wrote:
    Dan,
    So great to see all of this in slow motion. Although I do have your books there's nothing like seeing it done. Will you also be doing a fish?
    Love Your Fish!!

    Thanks for all your hard work! You and Jonty are the best! You are both great teachers.

    Luella
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    1. 9/27/2009 5:31 PM Dan the Monster-man wrote:
      Hey Luella,
      Nice to hear from you again.  I hope all is well with you.   Thanks for your nice comment about my slow videos.  Talk about slow, I'm having trouble getting them done quickly.  Hopefully I'll have the next installment soon.   And maybe I'll throw some stuff in about fish.

      Thanks!
      Dan

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    2. 9/30/2009 3:25 AM Jonty wrote:
      Why thankyou hun, though i think Dan has the upper hand on experience in teaching lol.
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  • 10/14/2009 6:04 PM Jonty wrote:
    ONE OF MY DRAGONS BIT ME TODAY

    This is a little off topic but i thoought i may as well mention it lol.

    Well that's me out of the PM'ing fun for a few day's. Because i start so many new projects before finishing others i have more than enough unfinished projects to keep me going for well lets just say quite some time. Thanks to so many i simply don't have the room to start anything more bigger than hand sized. Because i have so many projects to finish the only way i can finish them without getting bored i decided a while back the only way i could catch up with this massive task is to cycle through each unfinished projects a few at a time for a week or two then move on to the next batch. Today i am back on with my full dragons & i got a fair bit done too. I had just modyfied a dragon head that i want to plaster mold & copy for a series of similar styled dragons, about 6 or so of that same type. Whilst it's to one side drying ready to be copied in plaster i decided that i'd finish of some of the foil copied bodies i started some time ago.

    That's when i saw red, litteraly. I had just cut open a foil copied body & instead of easing open the cut, pulling out my fingers then pulling it open further along. I went & ran my fingers along inside the cut foil & paper layers. Mercifully there are few to no nerves in the sides of the finger tips (I know this as i hate cut fingers so i jab my fingers on the sides to do my blood monitoring for my insulin). So before i felt anything a nice oval area around an inch & a half suddenly went red on the edges of the dragons body were my fingers were.

    When i pulled my fingers out i discovered i'd just sliced my first finger on my left hand half way around about a centimeter from the end of the finger. A deep slice too. Sometimes i wonder if reduced feeling in my left arm & lack of nerves in the edges of the fingers IS such a blessing. It took a few minutes for the bleeding to stop so i knew i'd clipped a vein. One small mercy is the reduced feeling in that hand & the fact the cut is neat edged once the bleeding stopped i figured it should be closed up enough to use the finger safely without pulling the cut open too easily in a few days. The worst part is i was really enjoying working on my unfinished dragons again it's been a while. Oh well i suppose i should see this as a good time for a short rest until my finger knits a little. Either that or my dragon was having a go at me for leaving it so long & attacked me out of spite. Hmm i think i might call that one spite lol.

    So for me it's down glue brush until the weekend at least possibly next week. My big question is now: When is this going to start hurting, it's quite a wide & deep slice so it WILL hurt eventually. I hate cuts on fingers agggggh!.
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    1. 10/14/2009 8:08 PM Dan the Monster-man wrote:
      Hey Jonty,
      Well you have had quite a day I see!  I have done that kind of thing many times.    I don't have the same issue with the nerve damage, ...they all hurt.     I suppose it's an issue artists like us have to face, that there is actually danger involved when you use sharp objects.  I can't tell you how many times I've run a clothes hanger cut too much at an angle into my hand or arm.   Now for the record, I don't give any instructions in my book or videos that have anyone cutting the hangers to points or using sharp knives at all.   I recommend dull but serrated steak knives to cut mache.   

      I hope you get better quickly.  I am glad to hear that you are having fun revisiting unfinished projects.  Good luck with those.
      And careful with the tools!  Nothing worse than seeing your red paint and realizing it's not paint.
      Dan

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  • 10/15/2009 4:15 AM Jonty wrote:
    Lol no not a cutting tool the foil papered edge of the copied dragon body i just cut open to remove from the master body lol. I have always preferred sharp tools myself. Yes they can do a lot more damage but the cuts i find do tend to be razor edged clean & seem to knit quicker & heal a lot faster. I have to wonder though 'why' always the most stupid & awkward places lol.

    It is still not hurting but i am sure it will once i start using my hand whilout the plaster (band aid). I am sure to go catching it & pulling it open all the time thats when the pain will come lol...
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  • 10/27/2009 3:39 PM Jara Popelkova wrote:
    Hi Dan-
    love your work and your studio picture. Miss seeing you daily at school.
    Was looking for your personal e-mail- don't care to write to school.
    Am about to leave for Thailand for a month. Hope, you are surviving the grind and BS

    Hugs,

    Jara
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    1. 10/27/2009 8:32 PM Dan the Monster-man wrote:
      Hey Jara,
      Nice to hear from you!   I'm having a good year I think.   I've got a magnificent bunch of kids this year.    Have fun in Thailand.  I'm glad to hear you are enjoying your time away from work.  You deserve it.
      Take care
      Dan

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  • 11/8/2009 1:50 PM dexy wrote:
    Hi Dan, I did some papier mache years ago and used to sell my creations and just lately decided to have another bash many many years later. I have tried to do some research on mache and stumbled across your tutorials and creations. WOW! BIG WOW! So inspiring, and not a sculpted amarture in sight - wonderful! I love your monsters and dragons from the way they are made through to the way they look. I'm so excited about your next vid, and will be checking regulary in hope you've done another one. Just wanted to say a huge thank you for being so generous in sharing your passion with us, its very contagious!!
    All the best,
    Dexy :O ) x
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    1. 11/8/2009 2:03 PM Dan the Monster-man wrote:
      Hi Dexy,
      Thank you so much for your kind words!  I'm very pleased to hear that you will be doing more paper mache.  It really is a great medium.  I'm glad I could be of some help.    I am currently editing another video for YouTube.  Kind of a goofy one, that's for sure.  After that I'll make another in the instructional series.   Thanks for checking back every so often.  I appreciate it.

      Meanwhile, best of luck on your new ventures.  Keep in touch.
      Dan

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  • 11/8/2009 2:36 PM lydia wrote:
    Nice to hear your voice, it is exactly as I thought it would sound
    Funny, I did guess the basic shapes were made like this..only I used different paste. I was wondering about the flour, will try that next time.
    Glad you give instructions and mighty funny too))
    Now I am in love with your cat.
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    1. 11/8/2009 2:40 PM Dan the Monster-man wrote:
      Hi again Lydia,
      I'm glad you liked the videos.  Yes, Eddy is quite a character.  Always under foot.  I guess he just likes to help out.    Thanks for tuning in.
      Talk to you later.
      Dan

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  • 11/20/2009 11:20 AM candy wrote:
    Wow! I am so excited to have found your videos. they are excellent and I can't wait to get started.I have been sculpting for a long time but have been frustrated for a while since I haven't been able to work with rebar as an inner structure. I've been searching for alternatives but never thought of paper mache. You have given me back my excitement for sculpting. Thank you! When does the third lesson come out? I was surprised to see you are in Seattle. I just moved here (LA) from Bremerton, WA
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    1. 11/20/2009 1:04 PM Dan the Monster-man wrote:
      Hi Candy,
      Nice to meet you!  It's always nice to meet other sculptors.   I just started doing the instructional videos.   I took a little time off from the instructional videos to make another fast one.   I just finished that one ("Papier Mache Head....for the Carpool Lane).  So now I'll be working on lesson three.   It probably will take me a couple weeks at least.  Sorry. 

      Sounds like you've been making fairly large items.   I'd love to see some of your stuff.

      Good luck on your work.   Hope you are surviving the dark, stormy days.
      Take care
      Dan

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  • 11/21/2009 5:37 AM Jonty wrote:
    Sculpting using rebar as a armature 'WOW' they must be really big sculptures indeed. I am with Dan gotta see what you have been making lol.
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  • 12/6/2009 12:23 PM chris wrote:
    hey Dan,
    Really nice website,...the photo's from the chinees dragon I loved the most!Probably because I also tried to make masks.I gonna keep follow your lessons, and photo's It's inspired me ! I can learn something of you, thanks ! Sorry for my language
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    1. 12/6/2009 1:38 PM Dan the Monster-man wrote:
      Hi Chris!
      Thank you for the nice comment!   I really appreciate it.  I'm glad you find some things on the site useful.   Good luck on your art.    We'd all love to see photos of your work too.
      And your language is perfect.   Better than mine.
      Take care.
      Dan

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  • 12/13/2009 9:51 AM Candy wrote:
    Hi Dan, I have started my first project but am having trouble with my glue. I was using Elmer's school glue and it seems that it never gets very hard here. I'm thinking it's the humidity. What type of white glue do you use and where might I buy it. Elmer's school glue is washable even after drying. Really love your art and seeing photos of everyone elses. There are so many creative people out there.Anxious for lesson #3 and thanks so much for sharing.
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    1. 12/13/2009 10:03 AM Dan the Monster-man wrote:
      Hi Candy.   Nice to talk to you.  
      Where do you live?   I"ve never heard of Elmer's not drying.   Is it the regular white glue?   That's what I use.    Do they have another kind of glue?   You might consider using PVA glue.   It's similar to Elmer's but is more plastic.   Or any kind of "wood glue" (which is usually PVA).  It is more yellow, but works great.   I've used it quite a bit when I couldn't get Elmer's.   Any hardware store will have it.   Give that a shot.

      Let me know if that works, okay?
      Dan
      PS.  I'm trying to finish one more fast video before lesson 3, which I'll do over my Winter break.  Sorry, it's taking a while. 
      Keep in touch.

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      1. 12/13/2009 12:50 PM Candy wrote:
        Hi again,I am in Louisiana and it has been wet! I thought WA was humid but this is rediculous.I used school glue and the bottle said it was washable after soaking for twenty minutes. It did get hard but softened when the weather got so humid. Thanks for the suggestion and I will let you know. I'm not trying to be pushy about lesson#3, just anxious cause they are really good. Thaks again, it's so appreciated.
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        1. 12/14/2009 2:16 PM Dan the Monster-man wrote:
          Hi again Candy,
          I think the glue will certainly dry once you add paint.  I've just never heard of a place where glue wouldn't dry.    If you get PVA, let me know how it works.
          Good luck.
          Dan
          PS.  Thanks for being patient about lesson 3.  I have to finish this fast video while it's timely (Santa is involved).   Then I'll get at it.


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  • 2/21/2010 10:39 PM Matt wrote:
    Hey Dan,
    Just stumbled across your blog today. I love the videos and the slow tutorials. I'm a newbie when it comes to paper mache. Your videos really do inspire me. I do have a question though. Where do you get your metal clothes hangers? The only place that I can think of is at clothing stores and maybe dry cleaners.
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    1. 2/21/2010 11:01 PM Dan the Monster-man wrote:
      Hi Matt,
      Nice to meet you.  Glad to hear you are thinking of doing some paper mache.  You will love it.    You can still get those clothes hangers at dry cleaner.  But you can also find them at Goodwill or other Thrift stores.  I buy them in bulk online.  You can get them pretty cheap that way.   Let me know if you can't find any.   I'd ship you some for the price of shipping if you need them.
      Take care
      Dan

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  • 3/20/2010 5:28 PM MONA LOPEZ wrote:
    I THINK YOU WORK IS SO GREAT , I WAS ALWAYS TAUGHT IN SCHOOL THAT A BALLOON WAS TO BE USED IN ORDER TO START YOUR PAPER MACHE, IM SO GLAD THAT I FOUND YOU WEBSITE IT HAS INSPIRED ME . SINCERELY MONA , KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    1. 3/20/2010 5:53 PM Dan the Monster-man wrote:
      Hi Mona,
      Nice to meet you!  Thank you for the nice comment!  You inspire me to get to work on my next blog installment.  I've been putting it off for a while now.   Too much other stuff to do.

      I love to put photos of other people's paper mache on my site.   If you ever want to post a photo, just send it to me.
      Thanks again.
      Dan

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  • 3/29/2010 10:09 AM nicole wrote:
    hi dan, i've seen you videos and they are really cool! i'm currently working on a school project that requires me to make a giant papier mache skull that is about 30".. and ideas on how to make the shape? and what is the type of paint you use to give your art a 'dirty effect'? please mail me thank you!
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    1. 3/29/2010 10:42 AM Dan the Monster-man wrote:
      Hi Nicole,
      Thanks for your kind words.   With regard to your skull, I make my basic shapes by just crumpling paper, one inside the other, until I get big balls that I can paper mache over.      That's what I would do with a skull as well.  When it's dry you can cut it open and pull out the wad of paper inside and use just the shell.    I sculpt  by cutting those balls (and other appendages) up and putting them together with masking tape.  I then put on  a "skin" of cloth (an old bed sheet torn up) dipped into white (Elmer's) glue.

      I use any water based paint, all purpose paint.  I by mine at Home Depot.     The dirty effect is what I call "blackwashing."  I simply water down black paint, paint it on, and then wipe it off before it dries.

      Good luck!  Sounds like a fun project.
      Dan

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      1. 3/30/2010 3:23 AM nicole wrote:
        thank you dan! shall drop by if i need further help. than you so much once again!!
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  • 4/21/2010 4:35 AM Easels wrote:
    Thanks for video.... very informative, initially i don't know to make any simple crafts...but the tutorial in this video make me a creativity person.. now I am able to make many creativity crafts....

    Keep posting
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    1. 4/21/2010 6:30 AM Dan the Monster-man wrote:
      Hello Easels,
      Thank you for the nice note.    I'm happy that the tutorials have helped.    It really is nice to have an outlet for creativity.    It still means a lot to me. 

      Take care.
      Dan
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  • 4/24/2010 6:01 PM Gregg Sales wrote:
    Dan we were making a Toucan for a school project and came across your site. Now we are making a Toucan and a monster! Question: are we to cover each layer with a thin layer of paste or just the edges? The paper is getting very moist they way we are doing it. We are making the wings separate from the body. How would you attach them? Also, what type of paint do you use?
    Thanks so much. Great site. Very inspirational!

    gbs
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    1. 4/24/2010 7:11 PM Dan the Monster-man wrote:
      Hello Gregg,
      Thank you for the note.   I'm not sure I'm following your question.   Do you mean each layer of paper during the paper mache stage?  You want the paper to get soaked all the way through when you apply it.  Make sure you watch the instructional videos on the blog for help with the paper mache.    Have you made all the parts, the body and appendages?  If so, I just cut a hole in the body and push the arm (of the wing) into the hole.  I then use masking tape to hold it on.    My final "skin" is cloth (old bed sheets) dipped into white glue.  That's what I use for the wings.  

      I just use regular old house paint.  But sometimes I use water-based all purpose paint from Home Depot.  
      Good luck on your project.
      Dan
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  • 4/25/2010 10:02 AM Gregg Sales wrote:
    Dan I think I asked too soon. I went on to watch the videos on your main site and many questions were answered.
    I apologize if this is somewhere on your site but have two more questions. Do you cut the sheets to an exact side and dip them totally in glue? Also do you just use regular house paint when you paint on and wipe off the black? I love that technique!
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    1. 4/25/2010 3:09 PM Dan the Monster-man wrote:
      Hi again Gregg,
      Usually I tear the seams off the sheet.   Then with scissors I cut notches of various widths on an edge.  I tear those into long strips, fold them up and pull off the strings.  Then I cut those into various sizes pieces with scissors.     I then I soak these pieces in glue, full strength and apply.   Yes, the black is just all purpose water-based paint.  I like Rustoleum brand.

      This cloth mache is my claim to fame in the mache world.   I invented the process many years ago.  It can be a bit of a pain, but it works really well.
      Good luck.
      Dan
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  • 5/13/2010 11:52 PM Kristen wrote:
    Hi Dan,
    I teach art in elementary school and decided to do an after school art class using paper mache. I found your site just before the class started and the kids love it! We have had to improvise do to time and not having the arms and legs small enough. I have six K - 2nd graders making the dragons. I'm hoping the sheet part can be done in a short amount of time. I'm going to pre cut the sheets like you suggested and cut off the seams. Any other short cuts?
    We have all really enjoyed the process. I had to laugh when one student asked, "When do we start paper macheing?" We were taping the paper mache tail to the body.
    Thanks a gain the videos are great. The kids loved that you were doing some of the blogs and videos three days before we watched them.
    Keep up the great work!
    Kristen
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    1. 5/14/2010 6:52 PM Dan the Monster-man wrote:
      Hi Kristen,
      Wow, you have taken on a big project!  You are a saint.   I've never really worked with kids that young.  I've done it with fifth graders, but never 2nd.   Definitely precut the sheets.   Make sure they dip the cloth in the glue and squeeze out the excess.  You will probably have to help a little.
      I'd love photos when you finish to put on my site.
      Keep in touch.  And good luck!
      Dan
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  • 6/29/2010 11:56 AM eva wrote:
    Hi Dan, Thanks for sharing your creative and wonderful talent on YOU-TUBE. It is hard to describe the experience of seeing your dragons without it,unless of course you have the books to go with it. It is truly inspirational and makes having dragons in your home a must for all who see them! Thanks, will continue to follow your site and buy your books!!
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    1. 6/29/2010 12:26 PM Dan the Monster-man wrote:
      Hi Eva,
      You are really sweet to leave this comment.  Thank you!  There is something fun about making these time lapse videos.   And it's hard for me to stay away from dragons.   I swear my next video will be something different.   Not exactly sure what yet.   Of course that will be after I finish the pair of dragons for this blog.    I'm working on those today.

      Thanks for stopping by.  You are always so supportive.  It means a lot to me.  (And thanks for the plugs for the books!)
      Take care
      Dan
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  • 7/7/2010 9:50 AM Crazy Cat Lady wrote:
    I just stumbled upon this site - awesome work and wonderful videos - thank you!
    Will there be a part 4 - how to assemble all of the parts?
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    1. 7/7/2010 6:57 PM Dan the Monster-man wrote:
      Hi Crazy Cat Lady.
      Thanks for the nice comment.   There should be a part 4 sometime.   I just have a lot going on.   But I think if you watch the time lapse videos you can see most of how to assemble the pieces.   
      Take care
      Dan
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